Mar 11, 2008

For the lols- BJJ (MMA) vs. Kung Fu (3 Videos)

I found this on youtube- Why do all of these amateur BJJ/Sambo/Wrestling vs (TMA Striking Style Here) end in exactly the same way? Watch the three rounds below:

Round 1

Round 2

Round 3

It's not a grappling vs. striking video without at least a couple of these things:

Striker attempts fancy footwork, fails miserably
Striker gets taken down extremely easily
Armbar from Mount
Rear Naked Choke
Pulling Guard
The "My god, I don't know what I'm doing, please take my back" headlock from bottom
Rear Mount

I'm growing more and more tired of people who don't see the need for groundwork to complement their striking. Honestly. I have to constantly remind people: the "Fail proof methods" your TKD teacher taught you to avoid the takedown don't really work without grappling experience. Sorry for the repetition, but until people get this through their heads, I need to keep saying it.

On the other hand, all you gi BJJ practitioners who can't seem to work without being on your back need to work on your takedowns. The guy in the video seems to have at least some amount of wrestling- probably from MMA classes or whatnot. I really do get kind of angry when I see buttscooters. Just pulling guard doesn't work all the time- if your school isn't incorporating a good amount of time on Wrestling or Judo, it should.

Happy training.


Pelayo said...

Thats becouse they need to train harder. Its true that judo or bjj are useful training methods. But for self defense you must forget about rules, and thats hard if you dont train that way, So its also necessary to train dirty ground fight (with control).
Notice that in judo you can forget about how near your balls are from others hand couse he wont hit or grab em. Yo cannot push face, you cannot hit...

Punch Kick Choke said...

You're assuming that other styles train you to deal with dirty attacks, and that judo and bjj doesn't. That's not a very accurate description, because you seem to be drawing your conclusion from people who train bjj and judo solely for competition, which is hardly the case in general.

You're absolutely right- of course you have to assume the other person is going to fight dirty. But you also have to attack with higher-percentage moves. I don't speak for every one who trains in a grappling style, but I do insist on having people try to lock in trachea crushes, attack the groin, and attempt eye gouges (of course, not all the way) from both top and bottom positions when we train for SD, but any half-decent grappler can use that attempt as an opening most of the time for a guard pass on top, or an armbar/sweep/triangle from the bottom. Hell, even the boxer with no grappling training I've had join my classes had no problem with dealing with dirty attacks in a no-space situation. As a matter of fact, pre-determined dirty attacks while doing stand-up sparring always produced more injuries and success than naturally occurring attacks while training groundwork.

It really doesn't make sense to argue that someone who aims for vital targets like the throat, eyes, and the balls will have a better time on the ground than someone who trains constantly on breaking grips and getting a dominant position. It seems counterintuitive for some, but time and experience has proven the person who trains in the clinch and ground to have a better chance at winning in a real fight.

I can understand that you're trying to defend kung fu, but to say that it's a better option to ignore proper grappling as a part of training for a "real fight" and replace it with half-assed training with "dirty moves" is a little silly. I might sound not too happy at your comment, but it's a repeated "competition vs street" argument that has been picked apart too many times for me to completely agree with.

Also, as I've said time and time again, you really don't need special training for you to understand that the balls and eyes are good targets to hit. Don't assume that people who forgo the dirty attacks for other ones are retarded, but rather just trying to continue a high-resistance training environment for themselves and their partner.

Hope you're not offended, but that's a hot button for me. :)