Sep 12, 2011

Gun Post: Why the Army Switched From the 1911 to Glock 22's, and How Body Armor Changed Shot Placement

A Glock 22. Gee, that's pretty.
I don't post about firearms that often, but shooting is a hobby I generally think of in a favorable light, and I know that some of my readers are avid shooters, LEO, and Military. This was an interesting read I found, where a Delta Force operator writes about (declassified info, of course) the phasing out of the Colt 1911 and replacing them with Glocks for various reasons, and how the widespread availability of body armor changed typical shot placement from the classic 2-body, 1-head to 5 shots across the hip.

Even if you don't shoot, this is a very interesting read from someone who obviously has a keen insight into the happenings of the military.

  source: http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2011/09/12/delta-force-and-the-glock/ I fixed a few minor grammar issues here and there for ease of reading.
The Army did drop the 1911 about 3 years ago for the Glock 22 rough texture frame which was “experimental” at the time. Glock really didn’t know if they were gonna go with it commercially at the time but since others in the community liked it, they put it on some Gen 4 guns. 
There was a down select to the STI 2011 and Glock 22 in .40S&W. The 1911 were costing us way to much per gun to keep them running. Parts, labor, X-rays, you get the picture. Even when Kentucky (Lexington Depot) would build a gun, the unit gunsmiths would practically and literally rebuild the gun for the individual operator during the training course. There was a contract let years ago for a select manufacturer to make the frames and slides and several different parts and barrel manufacturers to make the internals. Much like the MEU/MARSOC pistols a while ago they just got to expensive.

And we changed the way we shoot. In Army training, it was two in the chest and one in skull if needed. Now, if I give you 1, you are getting 2, if I give you, 2 you are getting 5, if you get 5, then you get the rest of the mag. Plain and simple, I am not going to let you get up and hurt one of my team mates. 
And I will put all my shots right across your pelvis and then the shoulder girdle. I don’t care if you got a trauma team on hand, 5 shots across the pelvis and you ain’t getting up. The enemy is likely to wear some kind of armor now a days just as much as we are. 2 in a 3×5 card ain’t cutting it. So there are lots more ammo expended in training, which effects how well the guns hold up also. 
We went through several different down selects for a double stack auto. The STI did not hold up to OTC and the students did not want to run their go-no-go shooting test with a chance of failing. One Sabre SQDN got issued both guns and the guys selected to deploy with the Glocks to Iraq. So that ended the question. Now there is a cornucopia of 22′s, 23′s and 27′s across that command. We went from the 228 to the G-19/ G-26 and G-30′s. 
And I understand the Navy has dropped the Sig and now gone to the HK (I want to say the) P-30 family in 9mm. I don’t know if they are going to the .40S&W? Air Force STS went to the G-22/23/27 and HK-416 cuz their Army partners did. Really all of JSOC is following what the Army Unit does.

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